Here are the links to two programmes which are both episodes from The Life Scientific, the Radio 4 programme that often goes out on Tuesdays at 9 am. I mentioned these to Sandra and Bennie after Five Tibetans a week or so ago. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000sj7c = Richard Bentall https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000dpj2 = Peter Fonaghy The two interviewed are both like me clinical psychologists. Both have got interesting personal stories as well as interesting things to say about mental health, and are well-known figures within the profession. And likeable ones.